Curse

VinnyRidira · Nov 26, 2007, 04:05 PM // 16:05

Good grief, 40 hours to get to level 20 in factions. It is so easy to do in 8 hours with all the Kaineng quests also gathering enough money to get 80 armour for a warrior.

yakuza · Nov 26, 2007, 04:13 PM // 16:13

its possible that his heroes get all the drops?
i've gone through complete areas without a drop

PS:Guild: Retired from Guild Wars
it should be "Guild: CoTR"
hehehe

Cebe · Nov 26, 2007, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet

You don't have to buy armor inbetween the start in Shing Jea till you reach Kaineng, you can easily do Shing Jea with starters armor.

I wouldn't say that's true for a Starter, and in particular a Starter Warrior.

Warriors get up close and personal with their foes, so when you get to Zen Daijun as a Starter who has never done it before, you'd probably find yourself dying quite a lot. At least someone who's played through a couple of times knows what to expect, and could probably get away with starter armor, but I'd still reckon a Warrior should upgrade at Seitung, same for Assassins, as they are frontline professions. Unless, of course, you're being taken through Jaya Bluffs, Haiju Lagoon and Zen Daijun by a crack team of lvl 20s.

There is, of course, collector's armor. I decided to use collector's armor on my Warrior so that I could save up and buy the armor I actually wanted from House Zu Heltzer. So I get to the Canthan Mainland and find out exactly what I need for the collectors armor. Wow. No less than TEN Venerable Mantid Pincers. They took quite some finding...mainly farming them on another character to get enough. When I got it though, the max level collector's armor was fine for me until I got to HzH. I think the items for some of the collectors armor should have been thought out a little more carefully.

Keithark · Nov 26, 2007, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

40 hours isnt really that long in the overall aspect of this game. Chances are he has spent money on things he should not have. He didnt need to expert salvage for example, using regular salvage kits on Highly Salvagable items will result in a good supply of crafting items. This will also increase monetary amounts for the crafting items you sell vs the item you salvaged.

He can get away with less than a full set of max armor for the next couple of missions, Chest and Legs would be the best to buy, picking up a helm with a +1 attribute if he can afford it. He should also remenber to salvage any runes/insignias from his old armor rather than buying new.

As for his drop rate its the same for everyone. I would recomend he does some exploring with a full party, vanquishing a few maps should net him enough to buy max armor.

he is new cannot vanquish

I did 8 areas in elonia this weekend and pu everything that dropped, 1/2 was done with h/h the other with 1 person and their hero's I made 22k....pitiful, that is like 3.7k/hr or something

ale_jrb · Nov 26, 2007, 04:18 PM // 16:18

Just because you don't get the title doesn't mean you can't do it - just kill everything. Sure, you're not properly vanquishing, but you'll make the money

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Schroedinger · Nov 26, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23

...having gotten GW only a few days ago. I've run two characters through to "Retaking the Wall", a R/w (Ohmigods what a terrible idea -Warrior offers that character -nothing-) and a N/Me (Much better). I have gone through virtually the entire game in a 2 person group with an E/Mo (Amusing. Emo. Also, the slash makes it "elmo".)

I have all kinds of cash. I upgraded my armor (so did my ally) at burned Ascalon City, and added a better scar pattern and a Superior Blood rune. And I have a plat and zillions of building materials in (our shared) storage. Heck, we even got a black dye drop, which is money we don't need at present.

I wouldn't want to be in a group of more than two though, it would make things easier but splits up the XP/gold rewards too many ways. I don't understand loot scaling, but I've gotten more stuff in the few things I've done alone than in the 2-person (majority) sections. Of course, going through (e.g.) "Across the Wall" alone would have been painful.

Sha Noran · Nov 26, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

It was probably a mistake to have him buy every set of armor that he found, since the returns are minuscule and the absolute best possible armor is right around the corner.

korcan · Nov 26, 2007, 04:52 PM // 16:52

there are 35 monastery credits worth of quests available on shing jea. that equals out to 3.5k. im sure its not too difficult to come up with the remaining cash for max kc armor.

ValaOfTheFens · Nov 26, 2007, 04:59 PM // 16:59

He needs collector armor. In Factions getting max collector armor is somewhat bothersome because you will inevitably need Venerable Mantid Pincers and the Mantids in question are only in 3-4 mobs outside Nahpui Quarter. I couldn't find a way to farming it(I was only setup for 55 farming at the time and some have Gaze of Contempt) solo so I did it with just 3 heroes(henchs would have been fine). This only yielded 1-2 Venerable Mantid Pincers per run but it was cheaper than buying them(I once saw someone selling them for 500g each). As a Warrior your friend should have minimal trouble soloing the Mantids and getting alot more Pincers than I did.

In general, I advise your friend to just play the game. I used to think that loot scaling was a joke but I have to say that I was completely wrong. The only thing I get less of is crafting materials.

Schroedinger: When you get to Diessa Lowlands you'll want a full group. Trust me on that one. PM me in-game if you need any help!!

Tachyon · Nov 26, 2007, 05:24 PM // 17:24

The simple solution would be for ANet to abolish the "Your group shares 103 gold" when you're playing on your own with heroes and henchies. That way all the actual gold dropped goes into your own coffers and doesn't just disappear from the game into some imaginary purse of said heroes or henchies.

Keithark · Nov 26, 2007, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Azagoth

The simple solution would be for ANet to abolish the "Your group shares 103 gold" when you're playing on your own with heroes and henchies. That way all the actual gold dropped goes into your own coffers and doesn't just disappear from the game into some imaginary purse of said heroes or henchies.

That would be nice..I am very sure my 3 necro's and 2 monks are maxed out with 100k each anyway by now

MagmaRed · Nov 26, 2007, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

Now I don't know if lootscaling has anything to do with it, as he travels with 8 all the time. But I know first hand that if you kill a lot of creatures in a near instant moment, the scaling bumps in and u get almost nothing.

Now take this example. I go farm 1/8 and kill 12 creatures in an instant. I usually get 0-3 drops. Now if i'm 8/8 I will get (0-3)/8 drops. (Better example kill tons of groups of margonites in HM with Battle of Turai's Procession, in a instant with during pre-nerf splinter weapon, netting also 0-3 items).

Yes you might tell me your calculations are wrong because of lootscaling you still get the 0-3 drops because lootscaling recognizes party size. But experiences differ.

Not sure what you are doing, but lootscaling has no effect on this. Least not from my experience. I solo farm undead outside Bergen Hotsprings with my Monk. I usually drop a group of Rangers at the same time, at worst, there is a second delay between first and last death. These groups will have between 5 and 10 undead, depending on if I pull 2 groups together.

I see about 10-15 monsters drop NOTHING on an entire run, which for me consists of all undead in both The Cursed Lands and Nebo Terrace. Granted, this is Hard Mode, but when I get white weapons and armor drops, that is not something HM increases. In fact, HM won't even add blue or purple, just gold items.

I really wish the people who state "killing things fast reduces drops" would provide evidence to support that claim.

pumpkin pie · Nov 26, 2007, 05:42 PM // 17:42

In my experience there are ups and downs. but over all it has been down with ups and downs... a bit confusing there... but thats how it is now a days. some day you go out, BOOM 6 gold drops, another BLEH things that you don't even want to pick up cos its too far away.

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Originally Posted by Azagoth

The simple solution would be for ANet to abolish the "Your group shares 103 gold" when you're playing on your own with heroes and henchies. That way all the actual gold dropped goes into your own coffers and doesn't just disappear from the game into some imaginary purse of said heroes or henchies.

speaking about sharing gold, I just notice today, while picking up 90 gold in a group of 8 with heros/hench, I have 210 gold in my stash, and after I pick up the 90 gold I get another 10, and the stash becomes 220g, so I want to know where the extra 10 gold pieces gone? if this has been going on ever since the beginning, then I must have like 100k lost out there somewhere... maybe more.

*looks @ koss*

Red_Dragon56 · Nov 26, 2007, 05:48 PM // 17:48

I beat Proph with Ascalon Armor on my Necromancer. Cause I never had the cash to buy anything better.

Bwah?!

ValaOfTheFens · Nov 26, 2007, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Red_Dragon56

I beat Proph with Ascalon Armor on my Necromancer. Cause I never had the cash to buy anything better.

Bwah?!

I got to the Crystal Desert before I changed the armor I got from Ascalon City. I couldn't afford it in LA and I skipped the outpost in the Jungle with craftable armor. Then I discovered Guild Wiki and found out that there were armor collectors outside pre.

arcady · Nov 26, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

All of my max stat armor and gear on all of my toons but one was bought -after- loot scaling. On that one I had only chest and waist at max stat beforehand.

I came back to this game about one and a half months ago. I have 13 characters. All of them have maxed out gear for themselves -and- their heroes. All of them have heroes.

I don't see a problem.

Getting gear on the first ever character is the hardest. Once you do it once you can do it again and again with ease.

I would have told the new player to not buy any armor upgrades until they got to the last upgrade before max stat - the one in Seitung Harbor. Only buy that one if they lack the funds to get the better gear in Kaineng. That's what I did with my Wa/R - my first armor upgrade was in Seitung Harbor. My next upgrade was in Droks.

The runner that took me to droks kept dying, and so on less than max-stat armor and no elites I did half of the run for us.

That saves a little money. Not too much, but a little. On later toons, I buy them max stat armor as soon as I can run them to it, then take them back and play through.

But that's only because it is so easy to make money in this game now.

pkodyssey · Nov 26, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

speaking about sharing gold, I just notice today, while picking up 90 gold in a group of 8 with heros/hench, I have 210 gold in my stash, and after I pick up the 90 gold I get another 10, and the stash becomes 220g, so I want to know where the extra 10 gold pieces gone? if this has been going on ever since the beginning, then I must have like 100k lost out there somewhere... maybe more.

*looks @ koss*

That is the Hero/Henchie Ale fund.

I have noticed that as well, other times I noticed that the gold rounded up in my favor. I think it evens out over time.

Ctb · Nov 26, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

First of all, you misrepresented the loot system. A party of 8 will net you the same drops for white, blue, purple, and collectible/salvage items as a party of 1. The loot scales UP as the party size increases. The only thing you have a reduced chance of picking up versus solo is rare items (gold, green, lockpicks, tomes, etc.), and those items have NEVER been a primary source of cash from farming (and, of course, you split the gold).

Second of all, taking forty hours, merching everything off, salvaging, and earning quest/mission rewards hasn't made enough yet for max armor? I call shenanigans. While it is certainly harder on a first character, if you don't have the money to buy all the materials at that point, you're doing it wrong.

Yes, earning money in Guild Wars is hard if you play the game as it was intended (versus what most people here do: shut off your brain and farm for hours on end in lieu of interacting with humanity). However, money in Guild Wars is also not worth much. The only things that are hard to get most of the time - especially once you have one well-established character - are things you don't need: grindtitle armor, rare weapon skins, all black armor, etc.

Although, I'll give this to you: that first superior vigor rune is a serious pain...

Sorry, but if it really is that much of a problem, something's being done wrong. I generally leave noob island with 3-4k on my Factions characters. After that, it's just a matter of running a few more quests and getting some kills in the meantime to get the mats and last bit of money.

Quaker · Nov 26, 2007, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

He now has been playing for 40 hours, is lvl 20 and has almost done all the quests he can find before doing Vizunah Square. [/I]

40 hours is not a long time.

mr_groovy · Nov 26, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by VinnyRidira

Good grief, 40 hours to get to level 20 in factions. It is so easy to do in 8 hours with all the Kaineng quests also gathering enough money to get 80 armour for a warrior.

40 Hours and still no Max Armor. He was prob lvl 20 @ 35 hours or less.
And yes I know u can be lvl 20 @ 8 hours or less. All my canthan chars left the island @ lvl 18+. And he has been questing all the time, and still din't have the money till the 42 hours mark or so.

@Quaker 40 Hours is pretty ok to be honest. It took me a month or more to get my tyrian char to droks / desert.

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Originally Posted by magmared

I really wish the people who state "killing things fast reduces drops" would provide evidence to support that claim.

Do a W/rt Vengefull UW run a couple of times, then do a W/me Visages Agro 4 smite groups run. Tell me which run gets you more white, purple & merch stuff.

@yakuza

for shame